Posted on Tuesday, 6 March 2012
Is it possible to describe Human Beings with Mathematics?
- isomorphisms: I hope that one day people will figure out the "perfect formula" for a constitution (balanced incentives / structure).
- gsx002: I doubt it. Formulas belong to the math and logic realm.
- isomorphisms: There is some logic to human interactions.
- gsx002: That's using the word loosely. :)
- isomorphisms: The promise of using maths to describe people is what got me interested in economics. I also do mathpsych.
- isomorphisms: This is why I have high hopes for Acemoglu stuff. Also spatial voting theory, game theory, applications to constitutional design.
- gsx002: I so have to follow these things more...I used to once upon a time.
- gsx002: It's always fascinated me, but I still haven't met a really good Bayesian...and Newcomb's paradox is still tricky for me.
- isomorphisms: I'm not saying a currently existing model [like Bayesian rationality]. Just that in theory a correct mathematical model of human behaviour seems (to me) possible.
- isomorphisms: Not saying it would be super specific either. The difficulty in convincing people to my point of view is that few people know how loose abstract mathematics is. Cobordisms, homology, homotopy, topology are all very loose. Results in category theory are also quite loose.
- isomorphisms: You can construct huge equivalence classes of things. Then you don't distinguish between very different things (famously, a coffee mug and a donut have the same topological equivalence class).
- isomorphisms: Some abstract maths (like coalgebras) is actually criticised because "There are no calculations!"
- gsx002: Hmm. . . i'd take the opposite bet . . . that there's a proof that there isn't or that there can't be such a model #Gödel
- isomorphisms: Gödel is off-topic. His result was about pure maths.
- isomorphisms: Even Arrow's Theorem has things fairly nailed down.
- gsx002: Tarski then?
- isomorphisms: Tarski also unrelated. Says ℝ is fuktup. I agree: especially for economics.
- isomorphisms: I actually got Stan Wagon (a Tarski ball scholar) into a discussion on how ℝ is inappropriate for econ.
- gsx002: ok, you forced me to bring out the big guns: sartre and camus! "we refuse to be modeled," or something like that :)
- isomorphisms: They didn't know how loose abstract mathematics is either. =)
- isomorphisms: Lacan thought there were applications of topology to psychoanalysis. Also there's a postmodernist at Ball State who says topology may be an appropriate tool for cultural analysis.
- gsx002: I was talking about Tarski's Truth paradox.
- isomorphisms: Oh. That's a linguistic problem. We don't have natural language logically figured out yet. However that's not a problem for behavioural modelling.
28 notes
- clazzjassicalrockhop reblogged this from isomorphismes
- clazzjassicalrockhop likes this
- dona-johnson reblogged this from notarie
- quadratic-mayhem reblogged this from isomorphismes
- intothecontinuum likes this
- x1alejandro3x reblogged this from isomorphismes
- x1alejandro3x likes this
- notarie reblogged this from isomorphismes
- randomunsolve likes this
- ellaocean likes this
- davidaedwards likes this
- urban-cowboy likes this
- teacup-etiquette reblogged this from isomorphismes
- emilypeapot reblogged this from isomorphismes
- isometries reblogged this from isomorphismes
- dorianchocolate likes this
- sterwood reblogged this from isomorphismes and added:
[Bolded by me] I like that the two (linguistic/behavioural) were separated in this discussion. I think they usually...
- sterwood likes this
- ktnmoo likes this
- ratapepe likes this
- sgdfx30 likes this
- explicitiary likes this
- cab1729 likes this
- princesafrutilux reblogged this from isomorphismes
- jvonneumann likes this
- mishelbgtsng likes this
- isomorphismes posted this